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Tomasz  
#1 Posted : Thursday, February 5, 2015 6:01:48 AM(UTC)
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hi guys, i hope someone can help me.

I have the issue with dual mono configuration. Here are some facts, i will start with configuration:

I have two buffalos III in dual mono, with two power supplies. The DACs are feeding single legato, with two power supplies, no jumpers 1-4 are installed. The headphone/single ended stage is not powerd on. All the thing is controlled from arduino (modified hifiduino).
All feeding two mono ncore power amps (balanced out)
Looks like this:

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Now, here is my problem:

Both buffalos are working as mono, all internal dacs are set to in-phase. All tested and working fine, 4 even dacs connected together and 4 odd dacs connected together work fine on each buffalo!

- The problem appears when i want to put all even and odd dacs of each buffalo together, here what happens:
-- if i put 2 even dacs and 2 odd dacs together, it works but only on 6 bit quantitizer, the sound is distorted on diffrent quantitizer settings, but still works.
---if i put 3 odd and 3 even dacs together, the sound is there, but it is distorted an all configurations of quantitizer plus there is a constant noise in the background.
----now, when i sum all 8 dacs there is no sound at all! No mather what settings, there is no joy!

I have the same issue on both buffalos (right and left). even dacs ok, odd dacs ok, phases ok, right left mono ok, but all 8 dacs give just no sound...nothing, quiet!

Hope you can help me guys, im getting crazy.

Best regards

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LeonvB  
#2 Posted : Thursday, February 5, 2015 6:24:23 PM(UTC)
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How are you connecting the DACs to the I/V stage? Did you follow the description on page 71 of the guide?
Tomasz  
#3 Posted : Thursday, February 5, 2015 8:01:14 PM(UTC)
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Hi LeonvB,

Thanks for the answear.

I have not followed the description on the page 71, as i am using external controller. In my buffalo all 8 dac (even and odd) are in phase, then they go straight into the I/V stage. What i have noticed by the way, no matter how i connect it to I/V it still works fine (but only 4 even or 4 odd dacs summed)

It makes me think there must be setting i miss, but from my tests it seems all works fine and is set properly to dual mono, what i cannot proove are singnal phases!?

Here is the register of sabre which is set in hifiduino to 10011101 (0x9D), then first bit is set to proper channel.

Register 17 (0x11) (MC5)
|1| | | | | | | | Mono Right (if set for MONO)
|0| | | | | | | | Mono Left (if set for MONO) (D)
| |1| | | | | | | OSF (Oversample filter) Bypass
| |0| | | | | | | Use OSF (D)
| | |1| | | | | | Relock Jitter Reduction
| | |0| | | | | | Normal Operation Jitter Reduction (D)
| | | |1| | | | | SPDIF: Auto deemph ON (D)
| | | |0| | | | | SPDIF: Auto deemph OFF
| | | | |1| | | | SPDIF Auto (Only if no I2S on pins) (D)
| | | | |0| | | | SPDIF Manual (Manually select SPDIF input format)
| | | | | |1| | | FIR: 28 coefficients (D)
| | | | | |0| | | FIR: 27 coefficients
| | | | | | |1| | DPLL: Phase invert
| | | | | | |0| | DPLL: Phase NO invert (D)
| | | | | | | |1| All MONO (Then select Mono L or R)
| | | | | | | |0| Eight channel (D)


plus there are regs for setting the phase

writeSabreReg(0x0D,0x00); // DAC in-phase
writeSabreReg(0x13,0x00); // DACB anti-phase

Basically, hifiduino users reported no problems, but dont know why it doesnt work by me.

thanks again for the answear

Tomasz  
#4 Posted : Thursday, February 5, 2015 8:07:43 PM(UTC)
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Have been writing more on that on

http://www.pinkfishmedia...amp;posted=1#post2524621

But still no solution.

I have also found some posts, saying the dip swich settings may help on that issue, so if i knew which SW set which registry on twistedpearaudio software would help me to proove the code i am using.
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#5 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 2:03:58 PM(UTC)
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Are you using your own controller? Or the on board controller? What I mean is - are you trying to use both at the same time?

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#6 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 2:12:47 PM(UTC)
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If you give me a diagram of how you wish to wire the DACs to the Legato I will give some things to try.

Also - how do you have the digital input setup? (sorry if I missed it - busy - TL/DR)
Tomasz  
#7 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 4:19:14 PM(UTC)
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Hi Russ,

thank you for your posts.

I am using just one controller, no on board controllers are installed. I have anyway followed the integration guide and put the jumper on r7 on one buffalo, plus I put the addr jumper on one buffalo. Its all working just fine, i can change the settings, volume, inputs, etc.

As far as i can proove, also mono is set on both boards up, and all dacs of each buffalo are set to left and right channel respectively.

for input i am using smart input configuration from hifiduino:

https://hifiduino.wordpr...reo-input-configuration/

I would like to connect the buffalos to legato as on the picture i attached, i.e. straight into the legato board, without any crossings (+ dac to + legato and - to -).
That is why i use configuration aff all dacs in-phase.

are the balanced inputs on legato mirrored? I mean, left channel + 0 - and right chanel - 0 + respectively?

best regards

Tomasz
Tomasz  
#8 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 4:25:14 PM(UTC)
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As you have asked about input configuration, it just made me think that my smart wiring may not be that smart. Going to have a look on it and see if its smart enough for mono configuration
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 7:52:21 PM(UTC)
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No I think it won't work for mono configuration. In fact the best situation for mono is I2S input. In which case simply wire D2,D3,D4,D5 together (or use the jumpers on the b3 which connect those nets). In any case if you do run PCM/SPDIF you should always disable SPDIF auto-detection while playing PCM.

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Russ White  
#10 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 7:53:19 PM(UTC)
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Legato is what you see is what you get. Nothing special about it routing. :)
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#11 Posted : Friday, February 6, 2015 7:56:25 PM(UTC)
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If you *only* plan on doing SPDIF that is ok too, just don't add the jumpers. :)

Start basic - get it working - then perfect your input scheme if you like.

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Tomasz  
#12 Posted : Saturday, February 7, 2015 7:02:52 AM(UTC)
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Hi Russ,

Thanks for the answear

I need actually both, i.e. I2S and SPDIF :/
Basically i would like to use smart wiring if possible, but it seems i can just bridge 3,4,7,8 dacs. So its probably no possible to just bridge the dacs on flow as i wish :/

|0|x|x|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC8 is DAC8 (D)
|1|x|x|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC8 is DAC6 (Use this to match BII input wiring)
|x|0|x|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC7 is DAC7 (D)
|x|1|x|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC7 is DAC5 (Use this to match BII input wiring)
|x|x|0|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC4 is DAC4 (D)
|x|x|1|x|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC4 is DAC2 (Use this to match BII input wiring)
|x|x|x|0|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC3 is DAC3 (D)
|x|x|x|1|x|x|x|x| Source of DAC3 is DAC1 (Use this to match BII input wiring)

Didnt have time yet to proove and try it. I could still use the sidecar, but have no place to put it and would rather prefere to live without it

Tomasz
Tomasz  
#13 Posted : Saturday, February 7, 2015 7:21:39 AM(UTC)
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Russ, what is the default configuration of reg 14 (input mapping), are all open?
If I were to use sidecar, how shall I set the inputs to use I2S and SPDIF?

https://hifiduino.wordpr...ode-and-buffalo-iii-dac/
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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:07:57 PM(UTC)
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You would need your controller to disable SPDIF detection when you switch to PCM (which means it needs to see that signal)

If you mean the first 4 bits of register 14 - they are 0b0000 by default.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 7, 2015 2:20:02 PM(UTC)
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My advice is still to start simple. :) Get it working with PCM then try SPDIF.
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