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Corpius  
#1 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:28:31 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

When I tested my "cd-pro2 --> teleporter --> teleporter --> Metronome --> Sidecar" I got a lock but no sound.

This is what I do to connect I2S via teleporter:

1. connect gnd to pin 14
2. switch sidecar

I have switched cables (cat.5 and cat.6), but without any luck.
When I start playing music I get a voltage difference between gnd and all other inputs on the metronome. There is no voltage difference when i pause or stop the music, so there is definitively a signal coming in.

This is how I have it all wired:

CD-pro2 to Teleporter 1 --> see image for all connections and dip switch settings

Teleporter 2 to Metronome --> see image for all connections and dip switch settings

Metronome to Sidecar --> See photo

Edited by user Sunday, June 3, 2012 7:08:11 PM(UTC)  | Reason: mixed up I2C and I2S

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Russ White  
#2 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:11:13 PM(UTC)
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Have you tried just going direct from the metronome to be sure it is configured correctly?
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#3 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:23:09 PM(UTC)
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No I have not. I can do this tomorrow. When doing this the cables exceeds the maximum of 10 cm, but when I place my cd-pro directly next to the metronome I hope that I can keep them just under 20 cm.

I have been playing with the dip switch settings on the dac, but without any luck. The inputs through the spdif board work fine. I do however get a lock from the metronome-sidecar setup. This lock probably comes from the metronome. When the cat.5 cable is disconnected it still has a lock.

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Russ White  
#4 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:26:01 PM(UTC)
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All the Buffalo needs is a bit block to get a lock.

Check with a scope and make sure you are getting good signals on all three required signals at the DAC.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:35:05 PM(UTC)
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At which points should I measure them? At the input connector of the dac?
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#6 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 8:48:52 PM(UTC)
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Yes at the DAC.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:59:52 PM(UTC)
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Do you have the volume pot (or the 3.3V to PB4 jumper) installed on the Buffalo?
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 5:56:42 AM(UTC)
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Hi Brian,

I have the jumper installed. When using the spdif boards all works fine. Only when using the teleporter metronome combo i don`t get to hear any sound. I will hook it up as Russ advised and try to measure the signals with a scope.
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#9 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:42:51 PM(UTC)
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Hi again,

I connected the cd-pro (I2S) directly to the metronome and there was music coming from my speakers.
So the metronome in configured correctly.

See the attachments for my measurements (the scope is very old, but it works)

Attachment 1: Data
Attachment 2: Bit clock
Attachment 3: word clock

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Corpius  
#10 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:49:12 PM(UTC)
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When I add the teleporters there is still no music. I checked the connections multiple times and they must be OK.
I have set the metronome to upsample to 192 Khz. but also tried 48 and 96 Khz

When I measure the signals with a scope it looks like the data signal get messed up somehow.


See the attachments for my measurements

Attachment 1: Data at the metronome input
Attachment 2: Data at the metronome output
Attachment 3: Bit clock -> metronome input
Attachment 4: Bit clock -> metronome output
Attachment 5: word clock -> metronome input
Attachment 6: word clock -> metronome output (see next post)

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Corpius  
#11 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 8:55:50 PM(UTC)
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word clock output at the metronome.
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#12 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 9:16:56 PM(UTC)
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Are any of those scope shots with the Teleporter in place?

Also, is your CAT5/6 cable homemade?
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#13 Posted : Monday, June 4, 2012 10:48:48 PM(UTC)
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Need to see the scope shots at the output of the receiving teleporter.

Make sure you are using a normal cat5 cable, not a crossover cable.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:59:15 AM(UTC)
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Corpius,

I think there may be two sorts of problems here.
First Teleporters may not work in sense of electrical failure. It is highly unlikely but one of them may be faulty. Check on board voltage regulator. Can you test them in other setup ?
Second problem states that your Teleporters work but because of some things, they and the rest of your system can't talk to each other. Before jumping onto more serious matter, try to eliminate some "glitches":
- as mentioned use only regular cat5 network cable, try very short first,
- make sure Teleporters couple are set to transmitter and receiver,
- receiver is on the receiving side of the signal,
- ground them properly,
- make sure both units have assigned signal pins in the same way,
- properly connect signal wires and keep them short,
- stay away from any devices or wires which may produce strong electrical fields,
- provide correct voltage supply to Teleporters,
- my setup with Logitech Touch requires master clock signal to be used, maybe yours too,
- for some reason my setup doesn't like shielded cat6, maybe neither nor yours,
Once I got my setup running, it has been rock solid steady since but working on it I noticed that it can be quite sensitive to its environment.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 5:07:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brian Donegan Go to Quoted Post
Are any of those scope shots with the Teleporter in place?

Also, is your CAT5/6 cable homemade?


Post 10 and 11 are with the teleporters in place. I tried using several diferent cables. Some,of them are normally used with my SB touch and router. Edit: They are not homemade and all cat.5, also tried cat.6. But no luck

Originally Posted by: Russ White Go to Quoted Post
Need to see the scope shots at the output of the receiving teleporter.

Make sure you are using a normal cat5 cable, not a crossover cable.


The shots can be seen in post 11. Attachements 1, 3 and 5.
When I look at it nothing seems to be wrong, but I really don`t know much about digital matters.

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:44:32 PM(UTC)
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Are you certain you don't have a signal swapped? Especially the word clock and data, but check all of them.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:52:11 PM(UTC)
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The bottom line is you should check that the signal at the input of the transmitting teleporter is the same as the signal at the output of the receiving teleporter, and be sure to match them up. :)

The teleporter does not transform the TTL signal in any way. As long as it is functioning - what comes in is what goes out. :)
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:02:47 PM(UTC)
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Allright. I checked all wires, but all wires are correct connected.

I do the building in a different room, but I had no working amp in that room. Therefore I needed to move the setup to the living room to test it. Yesterday I thought that I had measure some ac on the DAC outputs, but when I moved it to the living room it stayed dead silent. Today I connected it all again in the building room with no amps. And I did indeed measure AC at the outputs. Moved it to the living room again and connected it to my amps. No sound! Brick wall

I had a unfinished DIY chip amp lying around. All I needed to do to finish it was connect all internal wires. So I finished the chip amp. Now I could do some testing in the building room. And you won't believe it, but when I hooked it all up there was music coming from the speakers Dancing . Moved it to the living room again. No sound Brick wall

So there has to be something different in the living room. The only thing I can think of is that the sockets are all grounded in the living room. The sockets in the building room are not. The dac itself is not grounded to the socket, because it still has no chassis (only a wooden plank Anxious ). The cd-pro however is grounded to the power ground. It must have something to do with the different grounding conditions. I can't think of anything else or perhaps the wireless router. This is standing quite close to it all. But is it was the router I expected to hear at least some sound. I have to perform a test to confirm my conclusions.

When I was writing this reply the dac had played without any unlock. So I'm really happy that the teleporters do work. Now to get them to work in the living room.

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:13:35 PM(UTC)
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Wow, strange.
Try disconnecting the router to eliminate the simple troubleshooting first?
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:12:00 PM(UTC)
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Yep very likely the problem is that the two have too large a difference in ground potential. There are several ways to fix that. You could connect the DAC ground to your mains ground(easiest). or you could connect grounds of only the two devices (there are many ways you could achieve this). You could also if you are confident it won't harm anything try to simply lift the CD-pro from mains ground.
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