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Jordo  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:36:20 PM(UTC)
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Hi,

I'm adjusting my HDBP V2 but the voltage is not adjustable on one side.
It keeps at 19,95 V.
I am able to adjust the current and to get the voltage down with lowering the current.

What can possibly be wrong here?

Thx,

Jordo

Jordo  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 24, 2014 5:23:40 PM(UTC)
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Oeps for everything there must be a first time.
I inverted C3a somehow.... + and - were swapped...

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 24, 2014 5:57:41 PM(UTC)
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Hm, now the voltage is increased to a steady 21v.
Also the shunt is not adjustable and stays at a 60mV.

I cannot mixed up voltage regulators since the RH side works as advertised.
The pot meters adjust fine in resistance by the way.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:46:18 AM(UTC)
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I assume that it's the Placid 2.1.

Pls measure between TP_VREF and GND.

Can you post a picture?
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:24:28 AM(UTC)
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Hi Avr300,

Thanks for your reply on this Christmas day!

Yes it's the regular V2.1, not the Beta version.

I will post pictures when I'm home this afternoon. (some people do work today Angel )
I've inspected the Print myself yesterday briefly. All solder connections seems fine and I only found one Capacitor (C3a) installed wrong (never happened to me). I hope this can do no harm?
I will inspect the Voltage Regulators later for as far as possible.

What do I measure between TP_VREF and GND? Voltage or Resistance? What Value should I expect?

Many thanks in advance!

Jordo
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:28:16 AM(UTC)
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Merry Christmas to you.

Measure voltage.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:15:22 AM(UTC)
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Here some Pics in advance.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:39:25 AM(UTC)
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At first glance it looks ok to me

Lets see the voltage between TP_VREF and GND
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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:55:33 PM(UTC)
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Ok, thx for the assurance.

I think I will make measurements tomorrow. I have to build the other unit out and it will take some time before I have the V2.1 connected properly. It's a little crowded in my case (chassis) :)
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:05:20 PM(UTC)
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ok.

Make sure that you haven't mixed up the QP/QN and the REFx's.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:16:33 PM(UTC)
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Yes indeed. I was very aware of that.
The only ones I havn't been able to check are QP3 and QP5. They are too close together to read their numbers.
But they have to be okay since the RH side of the board works fine and QP4 has the correct p/n even as REF1A and 2A...

We'll see.
Thanx for so far!

And, I populated the board in a way that avoid these errors. But you never know...

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#12 Posted : Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:22:27 PM(UTC)
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Well they are identical. So if all other transistors are in correct position and Brian has supplied the correct numbers (I'll bet he has) QP3 and QP5 are fine.
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#13 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 12:17:08 PM(UTC)
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I took the measurements:

TP_VREF + = 2.49 V
TP_VREF - = 2.49 V too....

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#14 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 2:40:56 PM(UTC)
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Spot on.
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#15 Posted : Friday, December 26, 2014 3:08:54 PM(UTC)
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Now let try to have some more numbers.

@attachment. The green spots you already have measured, ~2.5v. Good.

Lets see the result of measurements in the other yellow spots.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:58:47 AM(UTC)
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Hi AVR,

I took the measurements first thing this morning. Yesterday I was still celebrating Christmas (we have two day's in Holland)

IC 1- 3 = 3.34V
IC 2- 3 = 2.50V

VR2A = 3.97V
VR2B = 2.49V

R8A = 21.1V
R8B = 14.3V

As you can see all the values differ between the left and the right side.
I did not equalled the Potmeter values before I took the readings.

I also added the values in the picture attached.
I would say that R13A must have a lower resistance than R13B but the markings have the same colours and they measure both 470R.
I'm curious about your judgement...

Thx!

Jordo

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#17 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:15:21 AM(UTC)
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Something around the 3.34v positive input is wrong.

Can you please check the value of the resistors, that will be R6 and R13.
Also double check the Vref+ voltage (green spot).

Then check voltage in all 3 red spots.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:37:18 AM(UTC)
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Both Vref's are still 2.49V

R 13 A and B measure both 470R

R6A measures 1988 R (2K)
R6B 1158 R
They have the same colour code...

R6A voltage = 2.49V on the inside of the board
R6A voltage = 20.6V on the outside of the board towards the current pot.

Ref 2A-2 = 0.6V

R13A Voltage 2,49 on the inside of the board and 3.32V towards C8A

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avr300  
#19 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 11:50:35 AM(UTC)
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ok.

Check for tiny (tiny) solder bridges around the OPAMP (IC1).

Reflow all solder joints.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, December 27, 2014 12:03:32 PM(UTC)
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Ok I will this afternoon.
I have to go for now.

But don't you think the difference in resistance around the R6A/B isn't remarkable?
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