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felipe  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:54:08 PM(UTC)
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I suspect Right channel sounds high level or more clear than Left channel, I measured using REW (PC audio signal generator) 1kHz Sine Wave -3dB FS and the measurements :

Left channel
gnd to + 399-401mVAC
gnd to - 391-393mVAC

Right channel
gnd to + 395-397mVAC
gnd to - 386-388mVAC

Measurements done with 0VDC between + and - on the balanced oututs.

N.B. My unit is Board Revision 3.1.0

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:45:55 PM(UTC)
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??

You are measuring within 1-2%.

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#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:58:42 PM(UTC)
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Yes I know but are OK my measurements? I expected 1.5VRMS instead 0.4VRMS?

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:20:39 PM(UTC)
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BIII is outputing 6mVAC in each channel & in each +-
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#5 Posted : Friday, November 23, 2012 1:32:30 PM(UTC)
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Please help.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:13:51 AM(UTC)
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Hey guys,

Please help, posted asking help 3 days ago.

Thanks
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#7 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:37:22 AM(UTC)
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Changed R1-4 to 200R to achieve 2VAC RMS, sine wave signal 1kHz -3dB FS

SE output
Left max 1.052VAC
Right max 1.038VAC

Balanced output
Left max 1.050VAC
Right max 1.038VAC
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#8 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 4:38:55 PM(UTC)
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You don't measure balanced signals to 0V. Measure from output to output.

How are things loaded?

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What is it you are expecting? Stock Legato does not output 2VRMS exactly. But it will be pretty close (about 1.6 if I recall correctly) Remember that your test signal is -3db.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:25:44 PM(UTC)
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You don't measure balanced signals to 0V. Measure from output to output.

How are things loaded?


Balanced output measured between hot (+) & cold (-) signals
Left max 1.050VAC
Right max 1.038VAC

Measured unloaded, please let me know the dummy load value to check correctly the Legato?
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#11 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:30:11 PM(UTC)
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What is it you are expecting? Stock Legato does not output 2VRMS exactly. But it will be pretty close (about 1.6 if I recall correctly) Remember that your test signal is -3db.


I'm expecting with original R1-4 resistors have an output of 1.5VRMS & changing R1-4 resistors to 200R have an output of 2VRMS both as per your specs. Yes I know my test signal is -3dB but 0.5VRMS of difference for the -3dBs & unloaded seems to big the difference, when you tell me the load value can have a more accurate measurement, thanks.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:24:00 PM(UTC)
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What is it you are expecting? Stock Legato does not output 2VRMS exactly. But it will be pretty close (about 1.6 if I recall correctly) Remember that your test signal is -3db.


I'm expecting with original R1-4 resistors have an output of 1.5VRMS & changing R1-4 resistors to 200R have an output of 2VRMS both as per your specs. Yes I know my test signal is -3dB but 0.5VRMS of difference for the -3dBs & unloaded seems to big the difference, when you tell me the load value can have a more accurate measurement, thanks.


Try to give your test setup 0db - and then watch. I'm pretty sure you'll find things in perfect working order.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:56:37 AM(UTC)
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Also make sure that the SPDIF signal is actually the level you expect. Some windows drivers reduce the level at SPDIF to prevent clipping. Nasty trick that. :)

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#14 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:12:00 AM(UTC)
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What is it you are expecting? Stock Legato does not output 2VRMS exactly. But it will be pretty close (about 1.6 if I recall correctly) Remember that your test signal is -3db.


I'm expecting with original R1-4 resistors have an output of 1.5VRMS & changing R1-4 resistors to 200R have an output of 2VRMS both as per your specs. Yes I know my test signal is -3dB but 0.5VRMS of difference for the -3dBs & unloaded seems to big the difference, when you tell me the load value can have a more accurate measurement, thanks.


Try to give your test setup 0db - and then watch. I'm pretty sure you'll find things in perfect working order.


I used REW so can't go 0dB max.can go is -3dB, do you know other way to generate 0dB?
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#15 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 11:13:34 AM(UTC)
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Also make sure that the SPDIF signal is actually the level you expect. Some windows drivers reduce the level at SPDIF to prevent clipping. Nasty trick that. :)


I'm using USB-I2S converter, no SPDIF signal used. Please let me know the value of dummy load to check the Legato?
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#16 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:12:52 PM(UTC)
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No load.

I didn't mean SPDIF specifically, but digital in general. USB included.

In any case if you want more output than you are seeing - the manual describes how to get it. :)
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#17 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:21:45 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Russ, yes I know & I have changed R1-4 resitors to 200R but help me & let me know wich value of dummy load I need to do the right measurements?
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#18 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:25:22 PM(UTC)
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Whatever your anticipated running load is. :)

Any load > 10K will not effect the measurements much.

Also remember that the BAL/SE stage asymmetrically loads the balanced output - so one end of the BAL/SE will always be very slightly lower output than the other. This is perfectly normal and does not harm anything at all. It will however become more pronounced as the output impedance of the BAL output increases - as happens when you increase gain. For that reason I would not go over 357R unless you really need to. :)

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#19 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:32:40 PM(UTC)
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One other note, it is always best to run the BAL/SE stage with as little gain as you can get away with. The reason is that it allows the DAC to operate at it's region of highest dynamic range (nearest full volume) without the need to attenuate elsewhere.

Cheers!
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#20 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:41:07 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for support Russ.
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