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LeonvB  
#201 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:20:02 PM(UTC)
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I just noticed something. I will have to swap left/right channel for it to be correct on the rear panel. Does anyone know if it is possible to swap left and right in the firmware?

In the firmware? Yes, if it's dual mono: see register 17.
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#202 Posted : Wednesday, March 27, 2013 8:46:47 PM(UTC)
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I just noticed something. I will have to swap left/right channel for it to be correct on the rear panel. Does anyone know if it is possible to swap left and right in the firmware?

In the firmware? Yes, if it's dual mono: see register 17.


It is not dual mono, but perhaps that setting would swap left and right output from the dac anyways (0 is default left is left, right is right - 1 is left is right, right is left)? Oh well no real crisis I only have to run slightly longer internal IC cables if they can not be swapped.

The first spdif input Group is done (measured With dmm, not tested With actual signal yet).



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#203 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:28:16 PM(UTC)
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Serious problems.

DC offset With the dac Connected to the IV stage: 80mV (left) and 100mV (right) at the output of the IV stage. With no dac Connected: 3,3mV (left) and 5,5mV (right).

No Lock from any signal Source.
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#204 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:49:42 PM(UTC)
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Tested With different Power supplies and there is "no" problem (aprox 5mV offset on each output). Replaced the LCDPS With another LCDPS; problem still there. Next to try is to swap out the trannies, then Placid HDBP With a LCBPS.

Oh well. Long way to go Brick wall

Edit: help? I can not get rid of the offset no matter what I do. The transformers have been swapped, The IV stage, PSU`s DAC module (B3 vs B2).

No matter what I do I end up With DC offset ranging from 60 to 120mV between ground and - + and up to 200mV between pos and gnd on the SE output.

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#205 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:09:46 AM(UTC)
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The tridents measure 1.18V, 3.28, 3.29 and AVCC V2 measure 3.48 at each output.

When the dac and IV stage is not Connected (but still both Powered) the Ivy`s gnd to pos or neg measure 3.3mV/5.5mV and the SE measure +-0,0mV

With signal coming in, the dac has to be restarted a few times before the Lock led lights up and stay on. I have not tried to have an incoming signal while the dac and IV are seporated in order to see whether the Lock will stay on.

Help will be greatly appreciated. If this is normal behavior and I am just being an idiot, that would also fall in the greatly appreciated category. Anything to get back on track.
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#206 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:53:26 AM(UTC)
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Why not just wire to the opposite jacks?
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#207 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:11:46 AM(UTC)
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Why not just wire to the opposite jacks?


I take it you have not read my last posts... and that that statement is regarding the swapped left and right channel. I have moved beond that to a far more serious problem; DC offset on all outputs. Any thoughts on that?

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#208 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 1:34:06 PM(UTC)
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It looks like the end of the road for me for now. I have put more
Money and time into this Project than I should have, and now that I
cant work Things out and ask for help on troubleshooting there is no
response or response on the wrong Things. The modules are atm very
Close to ending up in the bin, but for now I`ll pack it all away and
unfortunately be without a stereo system for a while, untill either I
can get any help from the People who make the modules or buy something
else that actually work. What scares me the most is that I have not
measured for DC offset untill now and I may have sent a signal With
loads of DC offset to my Power amp and Audiphysic Virgo 5 speakers for
about 2 years.... If my speakers are damaged TPA will have a hard time
explaining how exactly the Ivy3 is DC coupled (as they have said in
the past). I did everything by the book and if I had not measured the
DC offset prior to connecting the balanced output to a 4pin XLR plug,
my beyerdynamic T1`s would have ended up in the bin. With damaged
drivers.

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Brian Donegan  
#209 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:19:31 PM(UTC)
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3-5mV is not much offset, certainly nothing to worry about. I would call it "typical." Measuring DC-offset with a multimeter without the inputs shorted to ground will give inaccurate readings.

What kind of DC can you measure at your amplifier outputs?

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#210 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 2:49:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
Tested With different Power supplies and there is "no" problem (aprox 5mV offset on each output). Replaced the LCDPS With another LCDPS; problem still there. Next to try is to swap out the trannies, then Placid HDBP With a LCBPS.

Oh well. Long way to go Brick wall

Edit: help? I can not get rid of the offset no matter what I do. The transformers have been swapped, The IV stage, PSU`s DAC module (B3 vs B2).

No matter what I do I end up With DC offset ranging from 60 to 120mV between ground and - + and up to 200mV between pos and gnd on the SE output.


Regardless of inputs Connected or not. I am not too keen on hooking it up to the Power amp With that much offset. The Ivy alone has a up to 5mV offset when the dac is not Connected to it. When I Connect the dac, the offset is as stated above (underlined).

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Brian Donegan  
#211 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 3:09:32 PM(UTC)
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I honestly don't think you have a problem.

Do you have a scope you can use to look at the outputs? As I said, a multi-meter is giving you a bad picture of what's on the outputs when the inputs are floating.

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Russ White  
#212 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 3:13:47 PM(UTC)
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If you really are concerned you can use AC coupling caps, but there are hundreds (if not more) people using IVY Dc coupled. :) It should not be necessary at all.
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#213 Posted : Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:05:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
Tested With different Power supplies and there is "no" problem (aprox 5mV offset on each output). Replaced the LCDPS With another LCDPS; problem still there. Next to try is to swap out the trannies, then Placid HDBP With a LCBPS.

Oh well. Long way to go Brick wall

Edit: help? I can not get rid of the offset no matter what I do. The transformers have been swapped, The IV stage, PSU`s DAC module (B3 vs B2).

No matter what I do I end up With DC offset ranging from 60 to 120mV between ground and - + and up to 200mV between pos and gnd on the SE output.


Regardless of inputs Connected or not. I am not too keen on hooking it up to the Power amp With that much offset. The Ivy alone has a up to 5mV offset when the dac is not Connected to it. When I Connect the dac, the offset is as stated above (underlined).


How exactly did you test for the offset, I might do the test & see what I get, I imagine if Russ & Brian think it's not a problem , it's probably not a problem.

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#214 Posted : Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:03:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post
Tested With different Power supplies and there is "no" problem (aprox 5mV offset on each output). Replaced the LCDPS With another LCDPS; problem still there. Next to try is to swap out the trannies, then Placid HDBP With a LCBPS.

Oh well. Long way to go Brick wall

Edit: help? I can not get rid of the offset no matter what I do. The transformers have been swapped, The IV stage, PSU`s DAC module (B3 vs B2).

No matter what I do I end up With DC offset ranging from 60 to 120mV between ground and - + and up to 200mV between pos and gnd on the SE output.


Regardless of inputs Connected or not. I am not too keen on hooking it up to the Power amp With that much offset. The Ivy alone has a up to 5mV offset when the dac is not Connected to it. When I Connect the dac, the offset is as stated above (underlined).


How exactly did you test for the offset, I might do the test & see what I get, I imagine if Russ & Brian think it's not a problem , it's probably not a problem.



Thank you very much. The test Points as I have measured are between GND and the Red "Arrows".

I will test the dac Connected to an amplifier later on, but at this stage this is unfortunately no longer the only issue, as I can not seem to get a Lock on the dac and the Lock and mute leds live a life of their own. Sometimes I get the Lock led glowing when there is no Source Connected...
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#215 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:00:43 AM(UTC)
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Maybe it is just me, but it looks like you swapped the trident at the right side of your DAC.
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#216 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:11:22 AM(UTC)
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Thank you very much. The test Points as I have measured are between GND and the Red "Arrows".

I will test the dac Connected to an amplifier later on, but at this stage this is unfortunately no longer the only issue, as I can not seem to get a Lock on the dac and the Lock and mute leds live a life of their own. Sometimes I get the Lock led glowing when there is no Source Connected...


I measured my DAC 1 which is a BIII & IVY, it was not connected to an amp, on the left channel at the SE +, + & - I have virtually no DC showing, on the Right channel I had, SE + = 190mV, + = 90mV, - = 100 mV, interesting. This DAC has been up & playing thru my amps for a long time with no obvious ill effect, it does go via a analogue active crossover, it sounds great all seems well.

I then tested my DAC 2 which is a BIII SE & Tube-i-zator, which was also not connected to an amp, had just removed it to play with the code. OMFG, the DC is off the planet, I only tested between the grnd & SE signal on both sides, one side read 36v, yes that's 36v, which steadily fell the longer I held the mutlimeter in place, of course the phone rang so I'm not sure how low it would have gone, the other channel showed 890mV.

Hmm, my amp still works fine!! I then connected a Kingrex T class amp to the DAC 2, played music & re tested Grnd to Signal + again, both channels showed 0.002v.

I don't know jack about how this all works but my guess is there isn't really a problem, if you have a cheap amp give it a run, assuming you can get a lock.

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Maybe it is just me, but it looks like you swapped the trident at the right side of your DAC.


Yes something looks a bit unusual there

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#218 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:01:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gwikse Go to Quoted Post


Thank you very much. The test Points as I have measured are between GND and the Red "Arrows".

I will test the dac Connected to an amplifier later on, but at this stage this is unfortunately no longer the only issue, as I can not seem to get a Lock on the dac and the Lock and mute leds live a life of their own. Sometimes I get the Lock led glowing when there is no Source Connected...


I measured my DAC 1 which is a BIII & IVY, it was not connected to an amp, on the left channel at the SE +, + & - I have virtually no DC showing, on the Right channel I had, SE + = 190mV, + = 90mV, - = 100 mV, interesting. This DAC has been up & playing thru my amps for a long time with no obvious ill effect, it does go via a analogue active crossover, it sounds great all seems well.

I then tested my DAC 2 which is a BIII SE & Tube-i-zator, which was also not connected to an amp, had just removed it to play with the code. OMFG, the DC is off the planet, I only tested between the grnd & SE signal on both sides, one side read 36v, yes that's 36v, which steadily fell the longer I held the mutlimeter in place, of course the phone rang so I'm not sure how low it would have gone, the other channel showed 890mV.

Hmm, my amp still works fine!! I then connected a Kingrex T class amp to the DAC 2, played music & re tested Grnd to Signal + again, both channels showed 0.002v.

I don't know jack about how this all works but my guess is there isn't really a problem, if you have a cheap amp give it a run, assuming you can get a lock.


Thank you for confirming it. Those measurements look very simular to the ones I got. I take it that the same thing as With the Tube-i-zator will happen With the measured DC when hooking up the Ivy to an amp.
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Maybe it is just me, but it looks like you swapped the trident at the right side of your DAC.


Yes something looks a bit unusual there



The B2 has a different pin-out for the tridents than the B3 (wich has swapped in and out on one module to be able to Mount all the tridents in the same orientation).
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#220 Posted : Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:27:25 AM(UTC)
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that explains everything (regarding the trident)
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