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Right now the ballsie lite give sound as it suppose to be.<br />Thanks for your concerns.<br /><br />cheers,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>2011-08-27T18:06:28-07:002011-08-27T18:06:28-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi all,<br />my ballsie lite problem is solved, the problem was on the lcbps (maybe caps problem). Right now the ballsie lite give sound as it suppose to be.<br />Thanks for your concerns.<br /><br />cheers,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11462:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />already try to re-touch the solder joints, maybe i'm not good enough with solder things :)<br />May i ask few questions about TP products in here? <br />1. About input from CS8416 spdif receiver (first edition), from what i read that i just need to short the - and G input to get it works? or do i have to short in what condition?<br />2. In OPUS, about shorting the output caps, it means just short the legs of the caps if they already installed? Do not need to remove them from the board?<br />3. Do i need connect all the ground of TP products to the enclosure?<br /><br />I'm sorry for too much asking. Because i really not good in English and affraid to make some mistakes just by read and assuming things.<br /><br />Hi Milton,<br />thanks for the link. I'm affraid the cost of shipping will be more that the component itself, because i'm in Indonesia :)<br /><br />thanks a lot,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-22T21:13:33-07:002011-08-22T21:13:33-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />already try to re-touch the solder joints, maybe i'm not good enough with solder things :)<br />May i ask few questions about TP products in here? <br />1. About input from CS8416 spdif receiver (first edition), from what i read that i just need to short the - and G input to get it works? or do i have to short in what condition?<br />2. In OPUS, about shorting the output caps, it means just short the legs of the caps if they already installed? Do not need to remove them from the board?<br />3. Do i need connect all the ground of TP products to the enclosure?<br /><br />I'm sorry for too much asking. Because i really not good in English and affraid to make some mistakes just by read and assuming things.<br /><br />Hi Milton,<br />thanks for the link. I'm affraid the cost of shipping will be more that the component itself, because i'm in Indonesia :)<br /><br />thanks a lot,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11458:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>If the relay was not working, you would get no output w/o the opamp, as it is shunting the outputs to ground when not powered. <br /><br />I suspect you have some cold solder joints on the board. <br /><br />Try adding a little flux to each joint and touching them up with your iron.<br /><br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-22T07:50:26-07:002011-08-22T07:50:26-07:00Brian Donegan<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>If the relay was not working, you would get no output w/o the opamp, as it is shunting the outputs to ground when not powered. <br /><br />I suspect you have some cold solder joints on the board. <br /><br />Try adding a little flux to each joint and touching them up with your iron.<br /><br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11457:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />The Omron relay was installed in the correct orientation from your first posted picture which I also checked it over. The Omron relay is not expensive and it is around $3 USD plus shipping. Mouser has it for $3.01 USD plus shipping. <br /><br />Here is the link.<br /><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron/G6K-2P-DC24/?qs=0w99tykdtPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d" title="http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron/G6K-2P-DC24/?qs=0w99tykdtPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d">http://www.mouser.com/Pr...tPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d</a><br /><br />Brian or Russ will be able to give you steps to check out and verify the Omron relay to see it is still ok or not.<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton <br /><br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-22T07:47:36-07:002011-08-22T07:47:36-07:00Audiblesoundwave<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />The Omron relay was installed in the correct orientation from your first posted picture which I also checked it over. The Omron relay is not expensive and it is around $3 USD plus shipping. Mouser has it for $3.01 USD plus shipping. <br /><br />Here is the link.<br /><a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron/G6K-2P-DC24/?qs=0w99tykdtPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d" title="http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron/G6K-2P-DC24/?qs=0w99tykdtPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d">http://www.mouser.com/Pr...tPKccYb5qin%252bxQ%3d%3d</a><br /><br />Brian or Russ will be able to give you steps to check out and verify the Omron relay to see it is still ok or not.<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton <br /><br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11456:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ & Mr Brian,<br />Do my omron components in the right position? Just wanna make sure.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-22T05:36:47-07:002011-08-22T05:36:47-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ & Mr Brian,<br />Do my omron components in the right position? Just wanna make sure.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11448:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi all,<br />still no progress after retouch all soldering point, my suspect to be a problem is Omron components (don't know how to say that part). But i'll enjoy my current setup right now while searching for Omron components. <br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-21T02:48:27-07:002011-08-21T02:48:27-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi all,<br />still no progress after retouch all soldering point, my suspect to be a problem is Omron components (don't know how to say that part). But i'll enjoy my current setup right now while searching for Omron components. <br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11446:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />I will try to retouch the soldering point. I don't have good camera for take photos :)<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-20T22:57:01-07:002011-08-20T22:57:01-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />I will try to retouch the soldering point. I don't have good camera for take photos :)<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11441:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />May be you should try to re-touch all of the soldering point! Some of them look like not a good solder joint from the picture. Well, it would be better to have a more close up picture of the board. <br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>2011-08-20T14:58:35-07:002011-08-20T14:58:35-07:00Audiblesoundwave<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />May be you should try to re-touch all of the soldering point! Some of them look like not a good solder joint from the picture. Well, it would be better to have a more close up picture of the board. <br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11437:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />This is the picture of the back <br /><br /><img src="http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8527/img00297201108202340.jpg" alt="UserPostedImage" class="UserPostedImage" style="max-width:200px;max-height:200px" /><br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>2011-08-20T09:37:15-07:002011-08-20T09:37:15-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />This is the picture of the back <br /><br /><img src="http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8527/img00297201108202340.jpg" alt="UserPostedImage" class="UserPostedImage" style="max-width:200px;max-height:200px" /><br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11434:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Can you post a picture of the bottom of the board? It may be just be a bad solder joint.</td></tr></table>2011-08-20T04:55:04-07:002011-08-20T04:55:04-07:00Brian Donegan<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Can you post a picture of the bottom of the board? It may be just be a bad solder joint.</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11433:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ,<br />Already replace the opamp, eventually I have the same type of opamp at home. But the problem remains the same. Guess the problem is on another components, do you have 1 stock of ballsie lite kit? I wanna have it if you have one.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-19T21:07:12-07:002011-08-19T21:07:12-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ,<br />Already replace the opamp, eventually I have the same type of opamp at home. But the problem remains the same. Guess the problem is on another components, do you have 1 stock of ballsie lite kit? I wanna have it if you have one.<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11432:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Why not just replace the opamp?</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T20:38:23-07:002011-08-19T20:38:23-07:00Russ White<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Why not just replace the opamp?</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11431:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />yeah i think i will order another one, but the stock is out right now. Wanna feel the different experience by using Ballsie Lite to my setup. But i'm in Indonesia and don't know how much the shipping cost will be. Thanks for your response for my problem.<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend too.<br />cheers,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T19:34:38-07:002011-08-19T19:34:38-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />yeah i think i will order another one, but the stock is out right now. Wanna feel the different experience by using Ballsie Lite to my setup. But i'm in Indonesia and don't know how much the shipping cost will be. Thanks for your response for my problem.<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend too.<br />cheers,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11430:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />I think that is a good idea to purchase another one which isn't that expensive comparing to other components. It may not worth your time for $35 + shipping. Not sure your location but it may be still cheaper. The Ballsie Lite is pretty straight forward and simple comparing to other parts. I was lucky that putting my Ballsie Lite together and got it working first time. <br /><br />Have fun and enjoy the Ballsie Lite! I like mine!<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T18:54:24-07:002011-08-19T18:54:24-07:00Audiblesoundwave<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />I think that is a good idea to purchase another one which isn't that expensive comparing to other components. It may not worth your time for $35 + shipping. Not sure your location but it may be still cheaper. The Ballsie Lite is pretty straight forward and simple comparing to other parts. I was lucky that putting my Ballsie Lite together and got it working first time. <br /><br />Have fun and enjoy the Ballsie Lite! I like mine!<br /><br />Have a wonderful weekend,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11429:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ,<br />The voltage to GND is +12.xx and -12.xx <br />I wanna buy another Ballsie but it seems that it out of stock right now?<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-19T18:44:04-07:002011-08-19T18:44:04-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Russ,<br />The voltage to GND is +12.xx and -12.xx <br />I wanna buy another Ballsie but it seems that it out of stock right now?<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11425:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>The reason you are getting some music through even without the opamp is because it it flowing through the feedback resistors to the output.But this is far from ideal as it is only one phase.<br /><br />Please confirm the voltage of each supply to GND. It should be +/- 12 to 15Vdc</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T13:43:27-07:002011-08-19T13:43:27-07:00Russ White<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>The reason you are getting some music through even without the opamp is because it it flowing through the feedback resistors to the output.But this is far from ideal as it is only one phase.<br /><br />Please confirm the voltage of each supply to GND. It should be +/- 12 to 15Vdc</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11418:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>It's ok Milton, thanks for your response and advice for my problem. I used my digital multimeter to measure the voltage on pin 8 and pin 4 using the polarity you suggest.<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T09:33:12-07:002011-08-19T09:33:12-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>It's ok Milton, thanks for your response and advice for my problem. I used my digital multimeter to measure the voltage on pin 8 and pin 4 using the polarity you suggest.<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11417:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Sorry Nicko! I am not sure I can be more helpful anymore. Hope Brian or Russ comes back to you on this. <br /><br />17v seems high! How did you measure the Pin 8 (V+) and Pin 4 (V-)?<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>2011-08-19T09:02:51-07:002011-08-19T09:02:51-07:00Audiblesoundwave<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Sorry Nicko! I am not sure I can be more helpful anymore. Hope Brian or Russ comes back to you on this. <br /><br />17v seems high! How did you measure the Pin 8 (V+) and Pin 4 (V-)?<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton</td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11416:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />about the voltage measurement on the pin 8 and pin 4, i got 17.xx Volt result, i guess it's quite high from the proper voltage that you said it should be (12v)? Is it the problem? <br />I don't have knowledge about electronics, so about the information from the spec sheet may confusing me too much :D<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /><br /><br /><div class="quote"><span class="quotetitle">Audiblesoundwave wrote:</span><blockquote>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />Hum, I am not sure that I can be any more help to you at this point. One other thing you may like to try that is to measure the voltage from pin 8 (V+) and pin 4 (V-) at the DIP-8 socket and to see you get the proper voltage (12v). Please look at the OPA2227PA spec sheet for more information.<br /><br />By the way, can you really connect to the Bellise Lite directly from the Opus DAC? Don't you need one of the IVY III or the Legato 3.1 I/V stage?<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton<br /><br /></div></div><br /><br /></td></tr></table>2011-08-19T07:10:47-07:002011-08-19T07:10:47-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer_Alt" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Milton,<br />about the voltage measurement on the pin 8 and pin 4, i got 17.xx Volt result, i guess it's quite high from the proper voltage that you said it should be (12v)? Is it the problem? <br />I don't have knowledge about electronics, so about the information from the spec sheet may confusing me too much :D<br /><br />thanks,<br />Nicko<br /><br /><br /><br /><div class="quote"><span class="quotetitle">Audiblesoundwave wrote:</span><blockquote>Hi Nicko,<br /><br />Hum, I am not sure that I can be any more help to you at this point. One other thing you may like to try that is to measure the voltage from pin 8 (V+) and pin 4 (V-) at the DIP-8 socket and to see you get the proper voltage (12v). Please look at the OPA2227PA spec sheet for more information.<br /><br />By the way, can you really connect to the Bellise Lite directly from the Opus DAC? Don't you need one of the IVY III or the Legato 3.1 I/V stage?<br /><br />Good luck,<br />Milton<br /><br /></div></div><br /><br /></td></tr></table>urn:twistedpearaudio-com:ftPosts:st1:meid11415:1ballsie problem with opamp installed (edited)<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />so i'm not making mistake on the setup, for the power supply i mean +12 Vdc from + to G and -12 Vdc from - to G. Is that right? <br />My full setup photo<br /><br /><img src="http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7233/img00295201108192020.jpg" alt="UserPostedImage" class="UserPostedImage" style="max-width:200px;max-height:200px" /></td></tr></table>2011-08-19T06:18:52-07:002011-08-19T06:18:52-07:00nick<table class="content postContainer" width="100%"><tr><td>Hi Mr Brian,<br />so i'm not making mistake on the setup, for the power supply i mean +12 Vdc from + to G and -12 Vdc from - to G. Is that right? <br />My full setup photo<br /><br /><img src="http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7233/img00295201108192020.jpg" alt="UserPostedImage" class="UserPostedImage" style="max-width:200px;max-height:200px" /></td></tr></table>